What Do You Know To Be True?

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“You never fail until you stop trying.” – Albert Einstein

I suspect that my podcast guests rarely listen back to the episodes that they record with me. After all, they lived it once, why listen to it again? (Anyone that has podcasted with me or Vicki, feel free to jump in and contradict me on this!)

And, speaking for myself, there’s a smidge of fear when watching myself that I’ll discover something terribly wrong that I said or spinach in my teeth that I can’t undo.

But there’s a huge upside in listening back to what we’ve recorded in that it helps to see ourselves from another angle.

I recently was a guest on the What Do You Know To Be True? podcast with the incredible host, Roger Kastner. What Do You Know To Be True? features conversations at the intersection of leadership, neuroscience, belonging, and personal growth—inviting guests to explore the truths that shape how they lead and live.

Roger is a master at getting his guests to reveal their superpower. Watching back the episode I did with him, I was blown away by how skillful Roger is at digging into the heart of what I know to be true. [It also reminds me that I like to talk with my hands and tell a lot of climbing stories!]

In my case, my superpower is trying. In this conversation, Roger and I talk about:

  • How my electrical engineering background helped me develop my superpower
  • Why trying is different than persistence
  • How mountain climbing helped shape and shift my ability to try
  • What my system is for creating order when trying
  • How trying helps keep us from being stuck
  • How documenting what we’ve tried helps us to pass on the learning to others

Here’s the podcast episode on What Do You Know to Be True?

Other ways to watch this episode:

  • Apple podcasts and Spotify: How To Overcome the Fear of Failure & Feeling Stuck | Wynne Leon
  • YouTube: How to Overcome the Fear of Failure & Feeling Stuck | Wynne Leon on

Links for this episode:

What Do You Know To Be True? website

What Do You Know to Be True? on YouTube

Roger Kastner on LinkedIn

42 thoughts on “What Do You Know To Be True?”

  1. The superpower of trying—wow! Excellent, Wynne! Kudos on the podcast and sharing with others. As mentioned in my comments on a prior post, my superpower is organizing complex topics into actionable steps. For example, my post today tackles the complex topic of the actual and potential harm caused by AI. Parents: protect your children! Thanks for encouraging us to step out, try something new, learn from the experience, and then repeat the process. You’re making a difference!

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      1. Thanks, Wynne. Now we need to use our combined voices to educate people, especially those unaware of the dangers to children and adults. Let’s invite people to climb down from the fence and onto the playing field, joining in the fight to protect the children.

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  3. I’m with Roger…your wisdom, Wynne, about trying solutions, tracking what you’ve done and then UN-DOING before proceeding is the most brilliant thing ever. I’ve seen you do this, problem-solver and coach that you are, and it’s the backing up and un-doing that makes all the difference. Otherwise, some of us who DO panic when we’re trying to fix things (not just tech, but for me, especially tech) results in a big pile up of indistinguishable failures. Oy. xo! 😉❤️😉

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  5. This podcast is fantastic Wynne and the item “How my electrical engineering background helped me develop my superpower” put a smile on my face because I see you as Super(wo)man! And somehow I think you are 🙂

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    1. I am not surprised at all that you listened to your podcasts, Michelle. You have such an incredible ability to keep learning and meeting goals. I can see how listened would help you with those goals! You are amazing!

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  10. Like me publishing my post today and then noticing I spelled the title wrong, and even worse it was a word I kind of made up? lol Oh well, there’s a lot of resilience in laughing at our mistakes and then rolling with the punches.

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  15. I loved your definition of trying, Wynne. It’s not the same as persistence. It’s troubleshooting, it has ‘turn-around time’, it’s finding the next right thing to do…
    “Trying is fundamental to growing.” Great statement.
    “Do you tend to gravitate towards people who have a high threshold for trying?” I can see why you’d gravitate toward tryers, especially those following your definition. People like that are inspiring. Your superpower of ‘trying’ is inspiring. 💞😀 Thanks for sharing this.

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    1. Oh, I love that statement, Rose! Thank you so much for these kind words. I appreciate them so much as fuel to keep me at it. And I appreciate you for listening and the deep way you take things in so that I can see them through your eyes. Incredible! ❤

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  17. How cool, Wynne! You switched seats today and you get to share…YOU! 😊 It is fascinating about trying, tracking and then undoing if it’s not right. I think more than one person would give up when walking into walls and worse, not undoing correctly! It is absolutely a superpower that you see and try steps so clearly, so methodically. I love how you want to get it out there for others so they may hear how things work and help them towards “the next thing.” SO good and so inspiring. ❤️ Congrats on your guest spot!

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