“Things falling apart is a kind of testing and also a kind of healing. We think that the point is to pass the test or to overcome the problem, but the truth is that things don’t really get solved. They come together and they fall apart. Then they come together again and fall apart again. It’s just like that. The healing comes from letting there be room for all of this to happen: room for grief, for relief, for misery, for joy.” – Pema Chodron
The troubleshooting method that I’ve taught to new technology consultants is to change one thing at a time. But what happens when life goes sideways and you get a chance to change all the things keeping you rooted? Do you scramble trying to rebuild life as it was? Or lean in to the chance to rethink about where you want to be?
That’s the premise behind Lindsey Goldstein’s delightful novel, Gap Year. When in the span of a few days, Jane’s daughter leaves for a gap year, her husband informs her that he’s in love with someone else, and she’s forced to choose between a promotion or to quit at work, she decides to take her own gap year. She goes to Ecuador to climb the mountain she’s always wanted to, Cotopaxi.
There are many reasons I love this book. Climbing and Ecuador – two of my favorite topics. But also because walking alongside Jane in her adult gap year helps to put in perspective the choices that we’ve made that handcuff our ability to try.
I was lucky enough to sit down with Lindsey Goldstein, the author of Gap Year on The Life of Try podcast, for a conversation about personal growth, self-improvement, and finding the courage to try—even when the path ahead feels uncertain. From writing and running to parenting, failure, and fresh starts, we explore how confidence is built one brave step at a time. If you’ve ever wondered whether it’s too late to try something new, this uplifting episode is a reminder that growth often begins the moment we say “yes” to the challenge.
Key takeaways
- When life falls apart, it can also become an opening.
- Courage often starts before confidence.
- Trying, failing, and learning are all part of growth.
- Small steps lead to bigger transformations.
- You do not always end up where you expected—but you still grow.
- Practice changes what feels possible.
- It is never too late to begin again.
Here’s the YouTube video of our conversation:
Here are some other ways you can listen and watch this episode:
- The podcast player embedded below
- Click this link to watch in a browser: Reinvention, Resilience, and the Courage to Try | Gap Year with Lindsey Goldstein
- Subscribe to The Life of Try on Spotify, Amazon Music, or Apple Podcasts
- Subscribing to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@thelifeoftry
How to Celebrate the Try – The Life of Try: Personal growth, one try at a time.
- How to Celebrate the Try
- How to Reclaim Fun in Adult Life; Michael Rucker, PhD on Joy, Burnout, and The Fun Habit
- Reinvention, Resilience and The Courage to Try| Lindsey Goldstein on Gap Year
- 51: Letting Go of Outcomes: The Mindset That Keeps You Moving
- 50: How to Write the Book You've Been Meaning to Write | Dr. Victoria Atkinson (Slivers)
Links for this episode:
Reinvention, Resilience, and the Courage to Try | Gap Year with Lindsey Goldstein transcript
Gap Year on Amazon and Barnes & Noble
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Oh! Sounds like fun…looking forward to listening, Wynne! 😉
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You’ll love it!! Thanks for tuning in, my dear friend!
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Xo! 😘
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It truly is never too late to begin again. There’s never a wrong time to take the right path…and there are many right paths. 💫
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Oh, Natalie — you said it perfectly — and you know!! Thank you!
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The words of Pema Chodron have certainly helped me when life has dropped the script. What a great topic and guest, Wynne.
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Ah, me too! Thanks for the lovely comment, VJ!
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Welcome
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what a great question posed and it is never to late to try again.
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I totally agree, Beth! Thanks for the lovely comment!
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When I read the post I couldn’t help but have a pang of envy at our heroines freedom to take a year off. Often what happens with huge life changing events is just getting thrown into managing all the aspects of the new changes. I’ve been through a few of those types of events, and there was the obligation to just keep going, to put one foot in front of the other to put out the most pressing fires. I had people relying on me, so it felt necessary to keep moving forward even when the path was murky and not clear.
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That’s a really good point, Tamara! Sometimes we do need to just push forward when people are relying on us. Thanks for the comment!
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“It is never too late to begin again,” I wholeheartedly agree, Wynne!
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I love hearing that you second this. Thanks, Dana!
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What an inspiring guest! Great podcast, Wynne.
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Thank you, Elizabeth! I appreciate you tuning in!
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That was a nice conversation. I like what Lindsey said about finding any time available to write, even if it’s just 30 minutes, instead of scrolling through social media. That’s so true. I’m doing that with reading, and it’s incredible how much you can accomplish in those few minutes throughout the day.
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I love that you highlighted that, Edward. What a great reminder that we don’t have to have large chunks of time in order to accomplish things! Thanks for tuning in, my friend!
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You’re welcome. It’s always a pleasure to listen to your podcast.
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What an incredible compliment coming from you. I appreciate it more than I can say!!
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An impressive guest and a wonderful quote by a French climber. Thank you, Wynne. Much worth listening to.
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Ah, Dr. Stein. I love that quote! Thank you so much for listening. I appreciate it!
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Wonderful conversation, Wynne. So much to take inspiration from – most of all, finding the courage to try rewards us with built confidence.
I love Lindsey’s sense of humour and what a blessing to balance work, parenting and writing. It’s the dream!
The idea of a Gap Year – regardless of the circumstances that led to it – sounds so appealing, more so the ability to get to spend it hunkered down somewhere away from home, doing something that makes me feel alive – like writing.
Thanks for the inspirational kick this morning!
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Love your takeaway about trying building confidence. Isn’t that true? And your vision of spending time writing — may it be so!! I’m so grateful to you for listening and circling back to tell me what inspired you. Thank you, Ab!
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I think Lindsey is living her best life! Mom, author, marathon runner; I do love how she got into the specifics of the emotional side of running the NYC marathon with it ending in Central Park with the sunlight dabbling on the leaves. She truly felt inner joy. I felt that. And you are 100% right about how trying one thing leads to another. Young or old, it’s baked into our learning curves; what works – what doesn’t. Try the next thing. I’m going to have to mull over my fantasy gap year, hahaha. Thanks, Wynne.
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Your fantasy gap year — I can’t wait to hear what you come up with for that, Melanie! And you are so right about Lindsey’s description of the NYC marathon — wasn’t that touching?? I love how she traced the thread from tennis to trying out for crew to running — and that was the icing on the cake. Love your comment, Melanie. I’m so grateful for you!
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This is what makes life so very fun, “You do not always end up where you expected—but you still grow.” Great podcast Wynne!
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Yes!!! Thank you, Mary!!
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all good, Wynne 🙂
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Thank you, John!
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three cheers for this – it really is never too late to start again! xox
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You said it perfectly, Linda. Thank you!
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I took a gap year once. Err…unintentionally (damn corporate downsizing). And it was actually a gap year and nine months. I didn’t climb any mountains, but I did take a two-week solo trip to Ohio and back, which laid the foundation for my future move(s) east, so it turned out to be a pretty fruitful adventure after all. Even if I had to borrow from my retirement savings to afford it.
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That is so interesting that your solo trip had bearing on your future in a way that you didn’t know. Downsizing is no fun but I love how it led to both your career as a writer and your midwest moves. Fascinating!
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That trip was such a monumental, life-changing event. I will forever be thankful I did it!
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Definitely adding this to my tbr pile. Thank you for your inspiring guests and for the wisdom that you share.
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I think you’ll really enjoy it, Michele! Thanks for the lovely comment — I really appreciate it!
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You’re very welcome and thank you, Wynne. 🌼
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Thanks so much for Pena Chodron’s quote Wynne. It’s so meaningful for me and I’m thinking so right! 🙏
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I love that quote too, Margaret! Thanks for the great comment!
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Loved the interview with Lindsey, Wynne which you do so well, making people feel right at home and comfortable. Sounds like a great read and the 2 of you both are doing such a great job at teaching your kids what it’s like to “try“, practice and set your mind to do something you aspire to and lead by example! Kudos to that and to her new book Gap Year. One of my daughter’s went to London to study abroad for a year and it was a pass/fail grading system. Let’s just say it was an expensive lesson for us but she did learn a lot about the pubs 🙀. I could use that money around now to see what a gap year might be like. 😜😂💗! Best of luck on the book and when I get through my stack it would be one to read for sure!
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Oh wow, Cindy – that’s a good story! Sometimes the best learning is outside of a classroom, huh? 🙂 I so appreciate you tuning in. Lindsey’s book is great so I hope you enjoy it! XOXO!
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I’ll say it was and is! Some things are more laughable flicking back years later lol
No doubt I will love it, but I still have to read. Do you remember that right lol.!😎
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Great topic that can resonate with so many listeners and readers!!! XOV
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That’s so true!! Thank you, Vickie!!
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It’s never too late to begin again is such a powerful reminder because so many people think growth only counts if it happens early or follows a perfect timeline. Real healing and personal growth often begin the moment someone decides they are still worthy of becoming more.
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