“A leader is anyone who holds him or herself accountable for finding potential in people or processes.” – Brené Brown
Years ago I was talking with a man who was a member of the last church my dad led. Were we talking about my dear father and the man quipped, “You can’t say ‘no’ to Dick Leon.”
I had a good laugh about the truth of that statement. My dad asked a lot of people to do a lot of things – serve on committees, volunteer, contribute to a capital campaign. And if you said, “no,” it wasn’t that my dad would judge you, get mad, try the silent treatment, or blackball you. It was worse.
He’d get to know you.
When I talked with him about his leadership style, my dad told me:
“One of the problems that I see with a lot of young pastors is that they’ve been attracted to the ministry because they have seen someone up front doing a nice job preaching or teaching and they love the presentation side.
I keep saying to them, ministry is in the details. It’s getting systems that work in terms of management of the church, people who want to get involved, you want to make sure that they have a meaningful task and that they are rewarded, listened to, and that they feel befriended.
One of the things that I would often teach is when you have an elder that is going to give themselves to leadership for three years, the question you should ask yourself is, ‘At the end of the three years, do these people love the Lord, love the church and love their sense of ministry more than when you met them?’ It’s not ‘How do I put up with them for three years?’ but ‘How can I help them grow as people during their three years?’
It changes the whole sense from how do I get my things done to how do I serve these people? How do I befriend them? How can I help them? How do we nurture them? With a committee or an elder or a deacon or an officer of the church, you’ve got a window into their life that you’ll never have again so how do you use that? How are you doing? What is going on in your life? How can I be of help?”
Yeah…very few people said “no” to Dick Leon. But it’s a hard example to put into action, especially in different industries or scenarios. When heading a volunteer team full of big personalities or working within a competitive company where everyone is super smart, how do you bring that same attitude of empowerment and sharing?
To answer that question, I recorded a How To Share podcast conversation with my friend and climbing buddy, Doug Hauger. Doug had a very successful career as a technology executive and leads personal and professional projects with a similar style to my father’s.
In this episode, Doug and I talk about the intricacies of leadership, emphasizing the importance of sharing, vulnerability, and empowerment. We explore how confidence plays a role in leadership, the necessity of embracing uncertainty, and the dynamics of team interactions, especially when faced with challenging personalities. Doug shares insights from his extensive experience in tech leadership, highlighting the value of wisdom and the importance of creating an environment where team members feel empowered to share and learn from failures. The conversation culminates in the realization that true leadership involves being open, vulnerable, and willing to adapt, ultimately leading to a more liberated and effective leadership style.
We also tell quite a few climbing stories which are very good analogies for leadership success and direction.
Takeaways
- Leadership requires confidence and the ability to embrace uncertainty.
- Being open to feedback is crucial for effective leadership.
- Vulnerability fosters trust and encourages team sharing.
- Successful leaders create an environment of two-way communication.
- Wisdom and experience are essential in guiding teams.
- Empowering others leads to a more productive team dynamic.
- Acknowledging failure is part of the learning process.
- Humility allows leaders to learn from others.
- Navigating team dynamics requires transparency and honesty.
- Lack of transparency can add weight that hinders success and leadership effectiveness.
This is a great episode that delves into the heart of sharing power and the power of sharing. I know you’ll love it!
Here’s a short clip from our episode to give you a taste of the great conversation with the always amazing Doug Hauger:
Here are some ways you can listen and watch to the full episode:
- The podcast player embedded below
- Click this link to watch in a browser: How to Share Direction with Doug Hauger
- Subscribe to How To Share on Spotify, Amazon Music, or Apple Podcasts
- Subscribing to the YouTube channel: https://www.youtube.com/@howtosharepodcast
Please listen, watch, provide feedback and subscribe.
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Links for this episode:
Doug Hauger on LinkedIn
(featured photo is a picture of Doug and his daughter atop Mt. Adams – one of the climbs we talk about in this podcast)
Doug sounds like a man I’d enjoy being led by. Not something I say very often. Thanks, Wynne.
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Wow, that is a real compliment. Thanks, Dr. Stein!
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“Open window of transparency”…oh my. What a lesson. I look forward to listening to the whole episode later. Thank you, Doug and Wynne! 🥰
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I knew that would resonate with you. Thank you for the great comment, my friend!! I appreciate you tuning in!
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What great examples of servant leadership! Love the trust and transparency that Doug highlights. And your dad, wow, when someone listens and cares about you like that, it really is hard to say no. Thanks Wynne for this insight.
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You capture the spirit so well with this comment, Brian. Thanks for your insights – love hearing what you pick up on!
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I love reading stories about your Dad! Look forward to listening to this episode later as I also enjoy your climbing analogies. Thanks, Wynne!
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Thank you, Dana! You’ve nailed two of my favorite things to talk about – my dad and climbing stories. 🙂
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Wynne, you have given me something to listen to later today, I look forward to it. Being willing to learn and grow is so important. Enjoy your day and the remainder of the week. Looking forward to this week’s sign! Stay well, peace.
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Thank you so much for tuning in, Clay! You are so right about being willing to learn. I appreciate you and your perspective so much!
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Great points you made here Wynne.
I think that a lot of these could be applied not only in a leadership position (just my perspective)
So many people are lacking interpersonal skills these dsys 🙄
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Really great point, Maggie! Thank you!
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My pleasure Wynne.
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This is very timely for me. I quit my board position for the women’s group that fundraises for sex-trafficked victims because of a new leader. She is make unilateral decisions opposite to what the board has voted to do — including no longer supporting the residential facility helping the victims. She needs to listen to your podcast!
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I’m glad you quit, Elizabeth. The way she put you on the spot to commit was not a good sign. I’m so sorry to hear of her decisions. That’s too bad.
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Thank you. It’s a shame. I write a bit about it in Friday’s post with a shout out to you.
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Thank you, Elizabeth! I look forward to reading!
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This is a really insightful list of qualities for successful leaders, Wynne. And the enlightened leader needs to empower his/her colleagues to embrace the same principles. An overly ambitious/self-interested team member can be just as disruptive as having a leader with those unhelpful characteristics. I was very fortunate in my work life that way.
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Oh, how fortunate you were to have great leaders and colleagues, Jane! Remarkable!
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Yup, those takeaways are spot on for professional and personal growth. And of course, I love your father’s wisdom!
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Thank you, Mary! And yes, my dad’s wisdom is always fun to write about too! 🙂
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oh, these are all such good qualities that are so very important for a leader to embrace. it makes all the difference. no matter your political leanings, I believe our country could benefit from a leader who embodies this approach and what are are sorely lacking, I look forward to listening to your conversation with Doug –
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I’m 100% with you that our country needs a leader like this. <sigh> It does make all the difference – as does having a bad leader. Thanks for tuning in, Beth!
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Great post! And I love this small snippet of deep wisdom: “ministry is in the details” – fabulous! Linda xx
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Thank you, Linda! And I love you pulled out that nugget. So good!
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Love your dad’s leadership style! The reminder in your interview to not carry extra weight is such a perfect motto. This was such an eye-opening interview about how to do leadership better, even for us who don’t lead teams at work. Many of us lead in our private lives and these tips are so beneficial to be better leaders, even at home.
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Thank you so much for the great comment, Rose! You are so right about being leaders at home. It’s why I love the Brene Brown quote for this post so much. “A leader is anyone who holds him or herself accountable for finding potential in people or processes.” Right!
I appreciate you tuning in and for your feedback. Thank you!
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Thank you for the quote and story share that I shall take into my workday. 🙏🏻 Best to you!
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Oh thank you for the lovely comment, Michele! Best to you too!
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What a great insight about being a true leader!
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Thank you, Cristiana!
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The leadership style of your father’s is a rarity, especially these days. I don’t know what has happened to so many of our “leaders” and their “inability” to lead, truly lead and help people be their best selves. Great advice and bullet points Wynne! 🤗🙏🏼😊
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Such a good point, Kym. I think people have gotten put into leadership positions without any training or qualifications except for being good at a job. At least that’s what I see in my industry. Thanks for the great comment, my friend!
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Oh you’re so very welcome Wynne. I was fortunate to be under a few narcissistic and untrained, non-compassionate leaders…because they were the ‘BOSS.’ I say fortunate because they taught me what type of leader not to be. I don’t question my leadership ability when I held such positions, because I’ve been a subordinate who put up with some crappy leaders (not all, but a few).
Have a wonderful weekend my dear! 🥰💖🌞
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You are so right – learning what not to do is incredibly powerful!
Hope you have a great weekend too! XOXO!
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I feel like I’m synthesizing really here, but I’m processing. 😊 Honesty, honesty, honesty. Whether it’s in writing or leadership, you have to be transparent/authentic. Otherwise, teams will pick up almost immediately that you seem to have another agenda; that your goals are different. And even when you can “see” the end and you are trying to help the team get there by sharing the puzzle pieces of the path, you do have to listen, you have to be open to their ideas and maybe get to the end another way. That’s a leader. This was quite fascinating, Wynne, I aptly listened to Doug. He has a lot to say! (And the photo is so cool that it is not Pexels, but Doug at the summit with his daughter. ❤️
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Oh, I love how you pulled this all together, Melanie. What an insightful comment. And now that you’ve put it all together, I see it too. Yes, it’s writing or leadership or maybe even great people at the grocery story, people can tell if we’re not authentic. I love that you commented on that picture. Isn’t it great? Notice how he’s beneath her on the summit? How’s that for symbolic? Thanks for the great insights, Melanie! I love how you consistently further my thinking!
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Yes! 100% that it can appear anywhere, Wynne. And such a great observation on the photo! I did NOT notice that his daughter is sitting higher! That is very cool. 😊
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I love the story and perspective from your Dad and look forward to hearing this episode too.
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Thanks for tuning in, Todd!
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I’ve always thought mountains made the best metaphors. This podcast just proves that!
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I couldn’t agree with you more about that metaphor, Mark! Right!
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Your father was an extraordinary example of leadership win. Great clip! 💓
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Thank you, Cindy! I appreciate you tuning in, my friend!
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You’re so very welcome! Always 💕
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I listened to this episode on a long drive across town to observe one of my team members’ program. It was a timely inspiration the qualities that make a good leader and a good team where trust is implicit and fosters a culture of safe sharing. I agree that two-way sharing is so important and for leaders to try to empower their team. And love the interweaving of mountain climbing stories! 😊 Great way to start the work week – and final week of school! Have a great time in SF!
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I thought you might like the mountain climbing stories, Ab! Thank you for the feedback. I’m sure you are a two-way sharing kind of leader so it might have been redundant for you but I appreciate your insights! Thanks, my friend!
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I listened to the podcast, and it was excellent. While I’m not a mountain climber, I can relate to the story about the cigar. Every detail matters when one is carrying a heavy load.
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Oh, thank you, Edward. I’m smiling about the cigar — you are right, it does matter. I think you and Doug are likely very similar leaders! Thanks for tuning in.
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Absolutely! I’ve been really enjoying the podcasts.
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I’m so glad to hear that!
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So much wisdom here!
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I love this comment! Thank you!! ❤
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Catching up on my podcast listening on my walk this afternoon. I enjoyed this one. I especially loved the concept of humility being liberating. I can’t imagine the energy it would take to always need to be right. It reminded me of the concept of confident humility from Adam Grant’s book “Think Again.” Good stuff!
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Confident humility – I love that, Michelle. Yes! Thank you so much for listening and for the spot on comment. It helps to know what resonates!
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